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Sigitas Siupsinskas

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Yoni Friedman
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Sigitas Siupsinskas
Interviewee's Position
Vice Minister,
Interviewee's Organization
Minisrty of the Interior, Lithuania
Language
English
Town/City
Vilnius
Country
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract

In this interview, Sigitas Šiupšinskas discusses his work in public administration, regional policy and public service with the Lithuanian government. He discusses the VORT (Improvement of Performance-Based Management – from the Lithuanian Valdymo, orientuoto j rezultatus, tobulinimas) project and the Sunset Commission (The Commission for the Improvement of State Administration). He details the methods of the reforms, the gains achieved and the challenges faced. He talks about the effects the cultural environment of the Lithuanian government had on these reforms. He also talks about the successful efficiency gains in public administration and civil service reforms, and the implementations that led to those. Šiupšinskas discusses evaluative measures, methods of prioritization, and functional reviews.

Profile

At the time of this interview, Sigitas Šiupšinskas was vice minister in the Ministry of the Interior. He began his professional career in local administration, as deputy head of a neighborhood in the Vilnius District Municipality. Šiupšinskas then worked as adviser for municipal affairs in the Office of the Government. He then moved on to become director of the Association of Local Authorities in Lithuania. After this, he served as counselor the Lithuanian president on matters of public administration, regional policy and local self-government. He then moved to the Ministry of the Interior, where he first served as adviser to the minister before being appointed to his vice minister position. In the Ministry of the Interior, Šiupšinskas was responsible for public administration, regional policy and public service.

Erwin Ariadharma

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Andrew Schalkwyk
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Erwin Ariadharma
Interviewee's Position
Senior Public Sector Management Specialist
Interviewee's Organization
World Bank
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Indonesian
Town/City
Jakarta
Country
Date of Interview
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No
Abstract

Erwin Ariadharma talks through the history of civil service reform programs in Indonesia, focusing on recent reforms in the Director-General of Tax within the Ministry of Finance under Sri Mulyani, as well as reforms in the Supreme Audit Board and the Supreme Court.  These three institutions together make up three priority areas for the government of Indonesia in terms of state revenue, auditing of state revenue, and law enforcement.  Ariadharma talks briefly about the job-description exercise and rationalizing of job grades undertaken in these institutions.  He also talks about the streamlining of standard operating procedures and improvements in information systems.  He describes how salaries were raised within the three targeted institutions and how, once this had been done, there was a clearly articulated zero-tolerance policy on corruption.  Opportunities for corruption were also reduced through minimizing citizen-staff interactions.  Ariadharma talks about the role of the Ministry of Administrative Reform in sanctioning and approving reform.  He concludes the interview with some thoughts on effective donor engagement with partner countries.

Profile

At the time of this interview, Erwin Ariadharma was senior public sector management specialist in the World Bank office in Jakarta.  In this role, he was responsible for providing technical assistance to line ministries and government agencies undertaking reform programs, including the director-general of tax in the Ministry of Finance.  Prior to joining the World Bank, he worked for consulting firms in Indonesia, including Booz Allen Hamilton, KPMG, Moores Rowland, Bearing Point and Grant Thornton.

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Erwin Ariadharma - Full Interview

Bernard Zeneli

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Jona Repishti
Name
Bernard Zeneli
Interviewee's Position
Manager
Interviewee's Organization
Brain Gain Program, Albania
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Albanian
Town/City
Tirana
Country
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract
Bernard Zeneli describes his experiences as the manager of the Brain Gain program in Albania as well as his perspectives on the history of civil service reform.  The Brain Gain program seeks to identify areas from which expertise is readily available, particularly among the Albanian diaspora, and attempts to bring these people into the public sector.  The government plays a leading role in the project, which is supported by the United Nations Development Programme.  Zeneli outlines the process of applying for a position through the program and some of the benefits received by those with advanced degrees from abroad.  He describes the Soros Program that preceded Brain Gain as well as some of the potential problems created by providing various financial incentives to attract those educated abroad.  He also recounts some of the initial difficulties faced when establishing the program.  There was support from the highest levels, but the program met opposition from some of the lower levels of the administration.  Zeneli characterizes the relationship between the government and the U.N. and Brain Gain’s cooperation with civil society organizations as quite positive.
Profile

At the time of this interview, Bernard Zeneli was the manager of the Brain Gain program, an initiative of the Albanian government supported by the United Nations Development Programme that encouraged skilled professionals to return to the country and contribute to its development.  Previously, he was head of the Department of Political Science and Public Administration at the University of Pristina in Kosovo, where he developed courses related to policy making, comparative politics, government and international relations.  He also taught at Northeastern University, the University of Tirana and South Eastern European University in Tetovo, Macedonia.

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Jairo Acuña-Alfaro

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David Hausman
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Jairo Acuña-Alfaro
Interviewee's Position
Policy Adviser
Interviewee's Organization
United Nations Development Programme
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Costa Rican
Town/City
Hanoi
Country
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract

Jairo Acuña-Alfaro discusses Vietnam’s past and, at the time of the interview, ongoing and future efforts to reform the civil service. He discusses the Vietnamese public sector’s shortcomings, including corruption, nepotism, politicization, low salaries, and a lack of clear job descriptions. He describes what Vietnam is doing to modernize its civil service by introducing merit-based considerations in recruitment and promotions; to encourage professionalism by restructuring and formalizing the civil service and improving performance management; to improve service delivery through decentralization, consolidation, and the establishment of one-stop shops; and to curtail corruption by enacting pay reform and monetizing benefits. He also discusses challenges specific to Vietnam, including the politicization of civil service through the single-party system, rigid hierarchism and the consequent lack of initiative from subordinates, and other cultural factors. Finally, Acuña-Alfaro emphasizes the establishment of best practices as key to reforming a country’s civil service.    

Case Study:  Measuring Citizen Experiences: Conducting a Social Audit in Vietnam, 2009-2013

Profile

At the time of this interview, Jairo Acuña-Alfaro had been working for the United Nations Development Programme since 2007. Prior to that, he had worked with the UNDP in Costa Rica; with the World Bank in Washington, D.C.; and at the World Bank Institute, where he studied governance and anticorruption. Acuña-Alfaro earned a doctoral degree in political economy from Oxford University.

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Jairo Acuña-Alfaro Interview

Benjamin Mkapa

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Jennifer Widner
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Benjamin Mkapa
Interviewee's Position
Former President
Interviewee's Organization
United Republic of Tanzania
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Tanzanian
Town/City
Dar es Salaam
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract
Benjamin Mkapa discusses the reform of Tanzania’s civil service during his presidency. He explains the need for reform to curtail corruption and inefficiency, spur economic growth, promote more egalitarian policies for workers and retain support from international donors. He discusses Tanzania’s largely voluntary retrenchment program and pay reform for state employees, as well as efforts to privatize state-owned commercial enterprises. Measures to restructure and decentralize civil service, as well as improvements in performance management, also played a large role in Tanzania’s success in achieving civil service reform. Mkapa also discusses the role of leadership in creating and sustaining support for his reform program. He examines the role of the executive branch in mustering support from the civil service, the private sector, the legislature and other political entities, and international donors to ensure the efficacy and longevity of reform. He also emphasizes the importance of an active press, consistent provision of law and order, economic growth, and intelligent sequencing of reforms in the success of reform programs.
 
Profile

Benjamin Mkapa was the third president of Tanzania, holding the office from 1995 to 2005. Mkapa began his career at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs but soon began work in journalism. After editorial work for newspapers, he was appointed press secretary for the president. His career then turned toward foreign affairs and politics again, and his appointments included the offices of ambassador to the United States, minister for foreign affairs, minister for information and broadcasting, minister for information and culture, and minister for science, technology and higher education.  

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Benjamin Mkapa Interview

Lisa Cleary

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David Hausman
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Lisa Cleary
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Human Resource Adviser
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Public Service Improvement Program, Solomon Islands
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Australian
Country
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No
Abstract

Lisa Cleary talks about the role of the Public Service Improvement Program and her role as human resource adviser to develop a human resource strategy for the Solomon Islands.  First, she conducted a human resource survey across every ministry in order to develop a baseline for future work the PSIP would do to put a new payroll system in place.  Then she mapped workforce budgeting to prepare a strategic plan to change the way people are recruited and hired in the workforce and to develop a collective bargaining agreement.  She talks about problems such as patronage appointments, the length of time between recruitment and processing an appointment, the inequities in salary structure, the problems in service delivery and the problem of accelerated promotions.  She also talks about devising an administrative procedure toolkit for civil service positions as a way to achieve change in the processes to make them transparent and fair.

Case Study:  Starting from Scratch in Recruitment and Training: Solomon Islands, 2004-2009

Profile

At the time of this interview, Lisa Cleary was the human resource adviser for the Public Service Improvement Program in the Solomon Islands . She served previously as human resource adviser for the correctional service in the Solomon Islands. Before that, she worked with human resources in the correctional service in Queensland, Australia.

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Lisa Cleary Interview

Ngo Hongly

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Rohan Mukherjee
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Ngo Hongly
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Secretary-General
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Council for Administrative Reform, Cambodia
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Cambodian
Town/City
Phnom Penh
Country
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract
Ngo Hongly describes steps taken in Cambodia to integrate formerly warring factions into a common civil service and to develop the capacity to deliver public services. In 1994, the government adopted a Common Statute of Civil Service and conducted a census to determine how many people actually worked for the civil service. It then began to rationalize the system and computerize pay rolls. In 2006, it adopted a four-point reform strategy to improve public service delivery, rationalize pay and employment, build capacity and improve public information. These were central reforms in a broader strategy aimed at greater transparency in government, improved accountability and performance, enhanced capacity, and better management of human resources. With full support from top leadership, the reform set high values on motivated public employees, professionalism and service to the public. He describes the challenges of decentralization and Cambodia’s experience with one-stop offices for services, as well as his attempts to improve the work environment, map clear career paths and systematize compensation.
Profile

At the time of this interview, Ngo Hongly was secretary general of the Council for Administrative Reform in Cambodia. After 20 years in the French private sector, he returned to Cambodia and worked from 1994-2003 as a consultant for the Cambodian government on administrative reform. In January 2004, he was appointed secretary-general of the Council for Administrative Reform (CAR), working directly under His Excellency Sok An, Deputy Prime Minister and Chairman of the CAR under the direction of the Prime Minister Hun Sen. The council, active since 1999, engaged in various policy-making activities in the area of administrative reform.

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Ngo Hongly Interview

Rizwan Khair

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Andrew Schalkwyk
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Rizwan Khair
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Academic Coordinator
Interviewee's Organization
Institute of Governance Studies
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Bangladeshi
Town/City
Dhaka
Country
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract

Rizwan Khair reviews the reasons he thinks civil service reform had not taken place in Bangladesh. He argues that the mindset of government leaders and the senior civil servants was risk averse and that Bangladesh was stuck in the mindset of the old colonial civil service, with its emphasis on seniority rather than performance. He believes that the development of Bangladesh in a globalized world economy requires that a premium be set on performance, accountability and innovation in the civil service. He suggests that international donors had not been persistent enough in pressing for civil service reform in Bangladesh. More importantly, he calls for his country to look at reforms in Malaysia and India to see why Bangladesh must follow suit in order to build its long-term future.    

Case Study:  Energizing the Civil Service: Managing at The Top 2, Bangladesh, 2006-2011

Profile

At the time of this interview, Rizwan Khair was academic coordinator at the Institute of Governance Studies in Bangladesh. He was seconded from the civil service in 2006 to oversee the Masters in Governance and Development program at the institute. After working in a private bank for four years following his graduation from university, he entered the civil service, where he worked initially in the field before joining the Ministry of Finance's Economic Relations Division. He then transferred to the Bangladesh Public Administration Training Centre, where he worked for six years before moving to the institute.

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74 MB
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Rizwan Khair - Full Interview

Kartlos Kipiani

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Andrew Schalkwyk
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Kartlos Kipiani
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Chief of Staff
Interviewee's Organization
Constitutional Court of Georgia
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Georgian
Town/City
Tbilisi
Country
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract
Kartlos Kipiani, chief of staff of the Constitutional Court of Georgia at the time of the interview, discusses his time as head of the Public Service Bureau of Georgia and the efforts he was involved in to implement civil service reform projects.  The projects, which were wide-ranging, included efforts to improve technical skills of civil servants and to create a single information-management system across the ministries.  Kipiani also explains the role donors such as the World Bank played in setting the reform agenda.  He discusses the difficulty of dealing with poorly defined and sometimes overlapping government bureaucracies.  He touches on the question of decentralized versus centralized public-administration reform, and he explains why he thinks centralization of reform concepts is important.  He also discusses the difficulties he ran into with attempts to create one codification of job descriptions across all ministries.
 
Profile

At the time of this interview, Kartlos Kipiani was the chief of staff of the Constitutional Court of Georgia, a position he held from 2006 until March 2010.  In April 2010 he became deputy head of the Government Chancellery.  He previously served as secretary of the Public Service Council and acting head of the Public Service Bureau.  Kipiani also headed the Division for Civil Service Reform under the previous government in 2000.  He worked on various programs as a coordinator for the United Nations Development Programme.  He first began working for the government in the Office of State Chancellery in 1995.  Kipiani earned a master's degree in public policy from Japan’s National Graduate Institute for Public Policy Studies at Saitama University in 2003.

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59MB
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Karlos Kipiani Interview

Syed Tanveer Hussain

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Andrew Schalkwyk
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Syed Tanveer Hussain
Interviewee's Position
Founder and Consultant
Interviewee's Organization
Climate Change Company
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Bangladeshi
Place (Building/Street)
Ideas Manzil
Town/City
Dhaka
Country
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract

Syed Tanveer Hussain discusses a report on Bangladeshi government downsizing and restructuring he authored for the Office of the Prime Minister in 2002.  This document examined the implementation status and relative urgency of recommendations issued by 17 prior administrative reform committees and reorganization commissions.  Hussain describes a number of reasons for unsuccessful or incomplete implementation: lack of political will across party lines, insufficient explanation of reform rationale, finger-pointing at civil servants that generates built-in resistance, a reform committee system that fosters procrastination, and a distribution of power that at times favors the interests of a stable bureaucracy.  Hussain characterizes his ideal for the bureaucracy and describes a four-step process to achieve that ideal through planning, structural reform, capacity building and constant monitoring.  He then explains in detail each of his concrete proposals.  Among successfully implemented recommendations he counts separation of the Supreme Court and judiciary from other branches of government, and the establishment of quotas for civil service employment of the handicapped. Pending recommendations include administrative downsizing through elimination of function redundancy and outsourcing of some tasks to the private sector, appointment of an ombudsman, creation of financial incentives for civil servant relocation to remote areas of the country, computerization of ministries, employment of local manpower at Bangladeshi embassies for efficiency, retirement age increase in response to improvements in life expectancy, a constitutional mandate for a Civil Service Act, division of civil service into functional clusters to facilitate competition for awards and promotion, and creation of a senior-management pool.  While the government forwarded the report to the Establishment Division for implementation, it neglected its recommendation to streamline reform through an Administrative Performance Services Division modeled after its Malaysian equivalent and set up under the Prime Minister’s Office. Hussain believes centralization is key for successful administrative reform.  

Case Study:  Energizing the Civil Service: Managing at the Top 2, Bangladesh, 2006-2011

Profile

An economist by training, Syed Tanveer Hussain was trained for the civil service in Pakistan in 1970. He worked for the Bangladesh national government for 34 years. He held various high-ranking positions in the ministries of finance, planning, housing and public works, textiles and environment.  He served as census commissioner in 2001, and retired from public office as environment secretary in 2004.  He went on to work as a consultant for the World Bank and other international players through his firm, Climate Change Company.    

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Syed Tanveer Hussain Interview