East Timor

Agus Widjojo

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Interviewers
Tristan Dreisbach
Name
Agus Widjojo
Interviewee's Position
Lieutenant General (Ret.)
Interviewee's Organization
Indonesian National Armed Forces (TNI)
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Indonesian
Town/City
Jakarta
Country
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract

In this interview, Lieutenant General (Ret.) Agus Widjojo of the Indonesian National Armed Forces (TNI) discusses the process of military reform, the difficulties encountered in removing the military from the political process, and the progress still to be made. He discusses the ethos of reform embraced by the TNI as a process of drawing back in places where it had overstepped its constitutional mandate of national defense, and emphasizes the importance of the reform’s initiation within the military itself. He also notes the long and complicated process of developing a model for a functional civilian-military divide and how to designate responsibility within that split—something that he acknowledges still has room for improvement. In an interview simultaneously grounded in the country’s history and forward-looking, Widjojo reflects on his core involvement at the outset of reform, and on his perspective as an outside observer since his retirement in 2003.

Profile

Lieutenant General (Ret.) Agus Widjojo graduated from the Indonesian Military Academy in 1970. During his time in the military he served both as the Chief of Staff for Territorial Affairs and also as the Deputy Chairman of the People’s Consultative Assembly during a period of deep military involvement in civilian government institutions. A reform-minded officer, he helped jumpstart the process of military withdrawal from politics before his retirement in 2003. Since his retirement, he has served as a commissioner to the Indonesia-Timor Leste Commission of Truth and Friendship, and as a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a foreign policy think tank, and is an adviser at the Institute for Peace and Democracy, the implementing agency of the Bali Democracy Forum. He holds numerous advanced degrees, including a Masters of Public Administration from George Washington University, a Masters of Military Art and Science from US Command and General Staff College, and a Masters in national security strategy from the National Defense University. 

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149 MB
Full Audio Title
Agus Widjojo interview

Back to the Barracks: Getting the Indonesian Military Out of Politics, 1998-2000

Author
Tristan Dreisbach
Focus Area(s)
Country of Reform
Abstract

In May 1998, Indonesia’s armed forces, which had marched in lockstep with the Suharto regime for more than three decades, were poised to begin a stunning about-face. Suharto, a former major general, had resigned when antigovernment protests rapidly escalated, and his departure opened the door for a small group of military leaders to implement reforms they had discussed quietly for years. Agus Widjojo, one of the officers, drafted a plan that would change the relationship between civilian government and the armed forces. His New Paradigm reform agenda called for eliminating the military from many aspects of politics and governance in which it had long played a dominant role. From 1998 to 2000, the military severed its ties with the ruling party, agreed to reduce its representation in the parliament, ordered active-duty officers to leave many posts in civilian government, and separated the police from the armed forces. The changes represented a major break with the past and set the stage for civilian-led reforms to enhance elected government’s control over military institutions and defense policy.

 

Tristan Dreisbach drafted this case based on interviews conducted in Jakarta in March and April 2015. Case published August 2015. A companion case study, Cooperation and Conflict, examines the role of civilians in furthering Indonesian military reforms from 1999-2004.