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Neela Ghoshal

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Arthur Boutellis
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Neela Ghoshal
Interviewee's Position
Researcher
Interviewee's Organization
Human Rights Watch
Language
English
Town/City
Bujumbura
Country
Date of Interview
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No
Abstract

Neela Ghoshal talks about the challenges facing the Police Nationale du Burundi, including human-rights abuses committed by certain units within the police.  These problems were linked to the integration of military personnel and former rebels into the police as part of a peace process without adequate supplemental training.  Ghoshal lays out the recourses for those with human-rights or other complaints against the police and describes the existing accountability structures within the police.  She talks about attempts at depoliticization, noting that officials tried to include commanders with different backgrounds in the various command structures within the police.  The move was an effort to avoid creating chains of command where all the links come from either the same rebel group or the army.  She also talks about the difficulty of running human-rights training programs and the challenges of monitoring these programs' effects.

Profile

At the time of this interview, Neela Ghoshal was a researcher at Human Rights Watch in Burundi.  She earned a bachelor's degree from the University of Michigan and a master's in international relations from Yale University, both in the U.S.  She previously worked at the Bronx Defenders in New York.  She participated in this interview in her personal capacity and not as a representative of Human Rights Watch.
 

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Robert Pakpahan

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Andrew Schalkwyk
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Robert Pakpahan
Interviewee's Position
Director of Business Processes Transformation
Interviewee's Organization
Directorate General of Taxes, Indonesia
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Indonesian
Place (Building/Street)
Ministry of Finance
Town/City
Jakarta
Country
Date of Interview
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No
Abstract
Robert Pakpahan discusses administrative, bureaucratic and technological reforms in the Directorate General of Taxes in Indonesia since 2002. These reforms aimed to increase government revenue by eradicating corruption and expanding the tax net. He discusses the piecemeal modernization of the directorate general, including pay reform, improved monitoring of corruption through increased use of technology, the establishment of standard operating procedures, careful selection of employees, and standard mechanisms for promotions. Pakpahan also discusses obstacles including the maintenance of a current and accurate taxpayer database, bureaucratic resistance, lack of freedom in hiring decisions, and leadership.
 
Profile
At the time of this interview, Robert Pakpahan, who holds a doctoral degree, was the director of business processes transformation at the Directorate General of Taxes in Indonesia. He worked in this capacity since 2006 to improve Indonesia's tax collection mechanism.
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Pakpahan Interview

Taboka Nkhwa

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Daniel Scher
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Taboka Nkhwa
Interviewee's Position
Deputy Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Youth, Sport and Culture
Interviewee's Organization
Government of Botswana
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Botswana
Town/City
Gabarone
Country
Date of Interview
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No
Abstract
Taboka Nkhwa discusses Botswana’s efforts to improve public service institutions. She reflects upon the role of political impulse, discontent within the private sector, and international political conditions in providing an impetus for change. She also talks about the role of training, technical assistance, consultants, and communication in improving Botswana’s civil service. Nkhwa also offers insights into the obstacles to reform, such as political and bureaucratic resistance, financial cost, accountability and failures of service delivery.    
 
Profile
At the time of this interview, Taboka Nkhwa was the deputy permanent secretary in Botswana's Ministry of Youth, Sport and Culture. Prior to that, she was deputy director for the Directorate of Public Service. She had worked as a management consultant for ministries in Botswana, where she analyzed ministerial structures and functioning. She was also involved in introducing a performance management system for the public service of Botswana. Earlier, she served as deputy director for human resource management for Commonwealth Public Services under the Governance and Institutional Development Division.
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Taboka Nkhwa Interview

Bola Tinubu

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Graeme Blair
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Bola Tinubu
Interviewee's Position
Former Governor
Interviewee's Organization
State of Lagos, Nigeria
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Nigerian
Town/City
Lagos
Country
Date of Interview
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Yes
Abstract
Bola Tinubu, former governor of the state of Lagos in Nigeria, reflects on his administration’s successes in reforming the civil service, reducing corruption, and improving state infrastructure.  He details the process he went through to reform the state government, from the waste management system to financial mismanagement within the public sector.  Tinubu lays out the steps he took to improve incentives for civil servants, including salary increases, improving quality and hygiene of working environments, and teaching investment principles and how to work toward home ownership.  His payroll-system reforms removed thousands of ghost workers from the system.  Tinubu explains how he applied principles he learned in the corporate world to the public sector reform effort.  Tinubu also details the steps he took in removing endemic corruption in the public sector, which included eliminating cash payments to the government.  He discusses how he brought back expatriates to improve the hospitals and transportation system.  He also touches on the difficulties in working with a federal government that sometimes undermined reform efforts.
 
Profile
Bola Tinubu served as governor of the state of Lagos from 1999 to 2007, during which he initiated reforms that improved the efficiency of the civil service and improved infrastructure.  He served from 1992 to 1993 as a senator until the end of the Nigerian Third Republic.  Prior to entering politics he worked in the private sector for companies including Arthur Andersen and Deloitte, Haskins, & Sells.  He was also an executive of Mobil Oil Nigeria.  After Tinubu left politics, he became active in negotiations to unite Nigeria’s opposition parties and in pushing for electoral reforms.   He earned a bachelor’s degree from Chicago State University in business administration in 1979.  He holds the tribal aristocratic title of asiwaju, given to him by the Oba of Lagos, who holds a ceremonial position as traditional leader of the state of Lagos.
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Ts'okolo Koro

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Daniel Scher
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Ts'okolo Koro
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Former Director
Interviewee's Organization
Police Inspectorate, Lesotho
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Lesotho
Town/City
Maseru
Country
Date of Interview
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No
Abstract

Ts'okolo Koro discusses the challenges facing the Lesotho national police force and provides an overview of the transition from a joint national security force, which included the army and other security forces, to a separate police force.   A substantial portion of the interview details how he established and expanded a police inspections office to oversee the activities of the police service.    

Case Study:  Reining in a Rogue Agency: Police Reform in Lesotho, 1997-2010 

Profile

Ts’okolo Koro became the first inspector of the Lesotho national police force in 2005, after the inspectorate was established with the goal of improving the public image and performance of the police service in terms of organization, administration and discipline.  Before taking that post, he served as acting commissioner of police during much of 2004.  Koro joined the police service as a trooper in 1979 and worked his way through the ranks to become deputy commissioner from 2000 to 2004.  He graduated from the National University of Lesotho, holding a bachelor of education degree and a master of arts degree in police and criminal justice studies from the University of Exeter in the U.K..  

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Ts'okolo Koro interview

Rose Seretse

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Daniel Scher
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Rose Seretse
Interviewee's Position
Director
Interviewee's Organization
Botswana's Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crimes (DCEC)
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Botswana
Town/City
Gaborone
Country
Date of Interview
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No
Abstract
Rose Seretse discusses the role of Botswana’s Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crimes (DCEC) in combating corruption. She explains the establishment of the DCEC in 1994, the process through which staff are recruited, the role of public perceptions and education in combating corruption, and the organization of the DCEC. Seretse briefly touches on the relationship of the DCEC with other branches of government and the level of corruption encountered in Botswana. Finally, she discusses the role of Performance Management Systems in incentivizing productivity and combating inefficiency within the government.
 
Profile

At the time of this interview, Rose Seretse was director of Botswana’s Directorate on Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC), a position to which she was appointed in 2009. Seretse served as the deputy director of the DCEC from 2007 to 2009. Prior to joining the DCEC in 1997, Seretse worked in the public service in various capacities.  Seretse received her masters in public administration from the University of Botswana. She also holds a bachelors of science in construction engineering and management from Ferris State University in the United States.

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Rose Seretse Interview

Awni Yarvas

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Deepa Iyer
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Awni Yarvas
Interviewee's Organization
Former Director, Civil Status and Passports Department
Language
Arabic with English translation
Nationality of Interviewee
Jordan
Town/City
Amman
Country
Date of Interview
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No
Abstract

Awni Yarvas discusses reforms undertaken in Jordan’s Department of Civil Status and Passports, with a focus on those that took place under his tenure.  He explains how increases in efficiency were possible with changes in departmental structure, employee incentives, and, in particular, computerization.  Yarvas details how changes in procedures for issuing passports and national IDs improved the department's efficiency and accuracy.

Case Studies:  Creating a 'Citizen Friendly' Department: Speeding Document Production in Jordan, 1991-1996 and People and Machines--Building Operational Efficiency: Document Processing in Jordan, 1996-2005

Profile
Awni Yarvas served as director of Jordan’s Civil Status and Passports Department from 1996 to 2005.  He previously served as a major general in Jordan’s General Intelligence Department.  In 2005, he was appointed Jordan’s Minister of Interior, a position he held until 2010.
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Nasouh Marzouqa

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Deepa Iyer
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Nasouh Marzouqa
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Former Director
Interviewee's Organization
Civil Status and Passports Department
Language
Arabic with English translation
Nationality of Interviewee
Jordanian
Town/City
Amman
Country
Date of Interview
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No
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Nasouh Marzouqa discusses major reforms in Jordan’s Civil Status and Passports Department during his time as its director.  He describes how he improved the physical infrastructure of the department and streamlined the process for issuing passports.  Marzouqa also worked to institute a system of national identification numbers and began the process of computerizing the department.  He also discusses his efforts to motivate employees.    

Case Study:  Creating a 'Citizen Friendly' Department: Speeding Document Production in Jordan, 1991-1996

Profile

Nasouh Marzouqa served as head of Jordan’s Civil Status and Passports Department from 1991 to 1996, during which he oversaw massive reforms to the department. He previously served as director of the police departments in Irbid and Amman, and was director general of the Department of Public Security from 1985 to 1989.

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Francesco Giambrone

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Rushda Majeed
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Francesco Giambrone
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Councilor of Culture
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Municipality of Palermo
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Italian
Town/City
Palermo
Country
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No
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In this interview Francesco Giambrone discusses the challenges, priorities, strategies, and results of his four years as Councilor of Culture for the Municipality of Palermo. When Mayor Leoluca Orlando, under whom Giambrone served, took office in 1992, Palermo’s cultural icons were largely closed and unknown to the citizens. Giambrone describes the Villa Trabia, Teatro Massimo, and Lo Spasimo as magnificent pieces of Palermo’s culture and history that the municipality neglected. Many Palermitans had never seen or knew nothing about the buildings despite their central location. Giambrone outlines his three interdependent priorities as councilor that aimed to restore cultural awareness and pride in the city. First, he sought to reopen closed spaces like the Villa Trabia, Teatro Massimo, and Lo Spasimo. Second, he needed to spend more money. Giambrone explains that the previous administration often spent only a fraction of the budget, but he used to the full budget to put the civil servants to work restoring cultural spaces for reopening to the public. Lastly, he pushed for a change in the mentality amongst the civil servants. He says that he tried to replace a culture of unprofessionalism and lack of dedication with a more hard-working and responsible attitude. He also describes a close relationship, marked by cooperation and agreement, amongst members of Mayor Orlando’s administration. Giambrone expresses satisfaction with the reforms in the short term. Civic awareness and pride and economic activity returned to the city while crime rates dropped. But he acknowledges that the reforms did not sustain after the departure of Orlando and his administration and speculates why. Giambrone concludes with two anecdotes about the restoration of Lo Spasimo and the reopening of the Teatro Massimo, describing them both as important moments in Palermo’s cultural reawakening.

Case Studies:  Palermo Renaissance Part 1: Rebuilding Civic Identity and Reclaiming a City from the Mafia in Italy, 1993-2000Palermo Renaissance Part 2: Reforming City Hall, 1993-2000; and Palermo Renaissance Part 3: Strengthening Municipal Services, 1993-2000

Profile

Francesco Giambrone served the Municipality of Palermo under Mayor Leoluca Orlando as Councilor of Culture from 1995-1999. He then became the General Manager of the Teatro Massimo in Palermo for three years. From 2006 to 2010, he worked as the General Manager of the Teatro del Maggio Musicale Fiorentino in Florence. Currently, he is the President of the Conservatory of Palermo and teaches management of musical performance at the University of Palermo. Originally trained as a cardiologist, Giambrone worked as a critic, journalist, and essayist on music, dance, and culture after his medical education and before his appointment to the Palermo City Council.

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