capacity building

Sri Mulyani Indrawati

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Jennifer Widner and Gabriel Kuris
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Sri Mulyani Indrawati
Interviewee's Position
Managing Director, World Bank
Language
English
Town/City
Washington, DC
Country
Date of Interview
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No
Abstract

As a follow up to her 2009 interview, Sri Mulyani Indrawati revisits her years as Indonesia’s minister of finance to discuss the challenges of building her economic reform team and institutionalizing performance management at the ministry.  She describes how she worked closely with key members of the KPK (Corruption Eradication Commission) to cultivate motivation and teamwork among government employees.  With the support of her reform team, she established institutional mechanisms to reduce corruption and raise the credibility of the government.  And although Indonesia’s bureaucracy proved to challenge the reform team at times, she explains how performance indicators and standard operating procedures were instrumental to identify and overcome weaknesses in the Ministry of Finance.  In conclusion, Sri Mulyani reflects on the more personal attributes required to move sustainable reform forward: a strong vision along with the trust and commitment of her fellow reformers.   She describes the practice of public asset disclosure as one of the most sustainable reforms her team implemented at the ministry. 

Profile

At the time of this interview, Sri Mulyani Indrawati was managing director at the World Bank.  She has extensive experience in financial reforms to reduce corruption and strengthen economic growth.

Farooq Sobhan

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Andrew Schalkwyk
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Farooq Sobhan
Interviewee's Position
President
Interviewee's Organization
Bangladesh Enterprise Institute
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Bangladesh
Town/City
Dhaka
Country
Date of Interview
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Yes
Abstract

Farooq Sobhan talks about the work of his Bangladesh Enterprise Institute, which specializes in training civil servants.  The institute was undertaking to train a core group of mid-level bureaucrats in order to help them develop key management and budgetary skills.  He emphasizes the importance of job stability. Under the system prevalent in Bangladesh, people were transferred between positions frequently and did not get the opportunity to specialize.  Sobhan stresses his belief that those who receive training must be encouraged to stay in positions that will allow them to use their new skills.  He also identifies the problem of students who study abroad and never return, and the need to make the civil service more attractive.  He also reflects on how a politicized civil service is damaging for a country, and shares ideas for depoliticizing a bureaucracy.  He concludes by looking forward to the day when the Bangladeshi civil service has pride of place in society.

Profile

At the time of the interview, Farooq Sobhan was president of the Bangladesh Enterprise Institute, which specializes in providing high-level training to Bangladeshi civil servants. He had an extensive career in the diplomatic service of Bangladesh, beginning in 1964. After a two-year training program, he was posted to Cairo and then Paris. In early 1972, he returned to Bangladesh to join the newly established Ministry of Foreign Affairs. He served as the first director for North and South America as well as the Asia-Pacific region. He then served as counselor in Belgrade and in Moscow, director-general for multilateral economic affairs and the United Nations, and ambassador deputy permanent representative to the U.N. in New York, followed by ambassadorships in Malaysia and China. He served for three years as high commissioner to India and concluded his career as foreign secretary from March of 1995 until September of 1997. After that, he served as chairman of the Bangladesh Board of Investment and also as the special envoy of the prime minister. He co-founded the Bangladesh Enterprise Institute in 2000. 
 

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Farooq Sobhan- Full Interview

Kao Kim Hourn

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Rohan Mukherjee
Name
Kao Kim Hourn
Interviewee's Position
Secretary of State, Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Interviewee's Organization
Cambodia
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Cambodian
Place (Building/Street)
University of Cambodia
Town/City
Phnom Penh
Country
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract
Kao Kim Hourn discusses Cambodia’s efforts to achieve peace and development since 1990, after more than a decade of civil strife in the wake of the Khmer Rouge era. He discusses the integration of members of the Khmer Rouge into society, and the reintegration of numerous political and military factions in Cambodia during the 1990s. He then discusses subsequent efforts to reduce poverty, develop infrastructure, build capacity, liberalize education, increase legislative activity, improve public administration and reduce the size of the military. He also talks about Cambodia's efforts to join the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, ASEAN.
Profile

At the time of this interview, Kao Kim Hourn, who holds a doctoral degree in political science and a master’s degree in Southeast Asian studies, was president and founder of the University of Cambodia, as well as secretary of state for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. He previously served as an adviser to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and as a member of the Supreme National Council. He was a personal adviser to the prime minister of Cambodia. He also was a pivotal figure in Cambodia’s inclusion in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, as well as in the functioning of ASEAN itself. He also founded two think tanks: the Cambodian Public Accountability and Transparency Project and the Cambodian institute for Cooperation and Peace. 

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Kao Kim Hourn Interview

Pravin Gordhan

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David Hausman
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Pravin Gordhan
Interviewee's Position
Minister of Finance
Interviewee's Organization
South Africa
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
South African
Place (Building/Street)
Treasury
Town/City
Pretoria
Country
Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract

Former South African Revenue Service Commissioner Pravin Gordhan describes the internal organizational changes that helped the service consistently meet or exceed its revenue targets during his tenure. Appointed commissioner soon after the service obtained autonomy from South Africa’s civil service regulations, Gordhan talks about how he led a campaign of organizational transformation known as siyakha (“we are building” in Zulu), which reorganized tasks, shifted people within the organization, and led to large-scale racial transformation. The policy depended on aggressive outreach efforts both within the organization and to the public at large. By taking office staff on public campaigns during tax-filing season, Gordhan built public willingness to comply while motivating his employees.

Case Study:  Reworking the Revenue Service: Tax Collection in South Africa, 1990-2009

Profile

At the time of this interview, Pravin Gordhan was minister of finance for South Africa. He was the commissioner of the South African Revenue Service from 1999 to 2009. Before his career in government, Gordhan played a prominent role in the South African liberation movement; in the 1980s, he was secretary of Operation Vula, the African National Congress underground organization.

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Pravin Gordhan Interview

Giorgi Vashadze

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Andrew Schalkwyk
Name
Giorgi Vashadze
Interviewee's Position
Chairman
Interviewee's Organization
Deputy Minister of Justice; Head of Civil Registry Agency
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Georgian
Town/City
Tbilisi
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No
Abstract
Giorgi Vashadze,  the Deputy Minister of Justice; Head of the Civil Registry Agency in Georgia, an independent one-stop agency created in 2005 under the Ministry of Justice, discusses the agency's responsibility for issuing citizen identifications, voter registrations, passports, marriage licenses and divorce papers, name changes, and birth and death certificates.  The agency is partially supported by the fees it collects from citizens applying for papers.  The goal is to make it entirely self-supporting financially in the near future.  He describes how the Civil Service Registry was established to eliminate a predecessor process that was highly corrupt and paper-based, and he notes that the process has been computerized and almost all corruption eliminated from the system. The objective in creating the registry was to create a one-stop process for all important papers needed by citizens and to establish a system so that the government knew who was in the country. The system is linked to the process for driver’s licenses and to the Central Electoral Commission. The registry has helped other ministries eliminate corruption by providing software and links to a central information system.
 
Profile
At the time of this interview, Giorgi Vashadze was chairman of the Civil Registry Agency of the Ministry of Justice of Georgia.  He began serving in the organization in 2005 as head of one of the local territorial offices in Tbilisi.  In August 2005 he was promoted to deputy chairman of the agency, and he was named agency head in 2006.
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Giorgi Vashadze Interview

Alfred Brownell

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Graeme Blair
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Alfred Brownell
Interviewee's Position
President
Interviewee's Organization
Association of Environmental Lawyers of Liberia (Green Advocates)
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Liberian
Town/City
Monrovia
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No
Abstract
In this interview, Alfred Brownell details his extensive involvement with the reform of management of natural resources in Liberia. Specifically, Brownell elaborates on the experiences that led him to work for the creation of the Association of Environmental Lawyers of Liberia (Green Advocates), an organization that has played a pivotal role in Brownell’s campaign for improving the country’s forestry sector. Brownell describes the steps he took in obtaining much-needed cooperation from the government and private institutions to pass legislation that would safeguard the exploitation of forest cover, empower local communities living near such forests and stem resource-related human rights violations. Brownell also provides insight into the efforts that culminated in the incorporation of the Liberian Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative (LEITI). In explaining the successes achieved, Brownell describes how coalitions were built and campaigning was organized to receive support from both the populace and international organizations. These efforts resulted in the imposition of sanctions by the United Nations Security Council. These sanctions were a crucial leveraging tool in obtaining government cooperation. Recounting the many challenges involved in the process of obtaining successful reform, Brownell stresses the importance of oversight and institutional capacity building in ensuring the sustainability of reform.
Profile

 At the time of this interview, Alfred Brownell was the president of the Association of Environmental Lawyers of Liberia (Green Advocates.) In 1997, while a law student at the University of Liberia, Brownell launched Green Advocates and put into place Liberia’s first framework environmental law. Brownell was also the lead campaigner for Liberia’s Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative, successfully pressing for the passage of legislative reform in the national forestry sector. Between 2000 and 2003, Brownell’s work helped bring about the imposition of sanctions on Liberia’s timber exports, a travel ban and an asset freeze on corrupt government officials. Through the years, Brownell has devoted himself to campaigning for national policies that stem corruption and abuses related to natural resource extraction.  

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Ram Prasad Ghimire

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Rushda Majeed
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Ram Prasad Ghimire
Interviewee's Position
Under Secretary
Interviewee's Organization
Ministry of General Administration
Language
English
Town/City
Kathmandu
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Date of Interview
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No
Abstract
Mr. Ram Prasad Ghimire draws on his decades of experience working within the Ministry of General Administration (MOGA), which is responsible for managing and reforming the civil service. Additionally, it oversees the implementation of the Governance Reform Program (GRP). He discusses the history of reforms, which ultimately culminates in the GRP. Ghimire reviews the weaknesses of the GRP as well as resulting challenges. Specifically he explains that the GRP was crippled by extensive externally-driven aid conditions that were often not established in response to baseline data, socio-cultural realities, nor existing hierarchies of command. Additionally, Ghimire goes into detail over the various information systems MOGA has initiated to improve coordination across ministries and better track the size and activities of ministries. Two such systems are the Personnel Information System and Teacher-Partner Information Systems.  Finally, Ghimire emphasizes the importance of securing the commitment of high-level authorities to reform for ensuring high-quality implementation. 
Profile

Mr. Ram Prasad Ghimire was in charge of the Organization and Development Section of the Ministry of General Administration (MOGA). He began his career in the Nepalese Civil Service in 1995 as a finance officer. He later served on the Ministry of Tourism and Civil Aviation, National Planning Commission, and was responsible for one of Nepal’s academies of management. 

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Ram Prasad Ghimire Interview

Peter Kenilorea

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David Hausman
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Peter Kenilorea
Interviewee's Position
Speaker of Parliament
Interviewee's Organization
Solomon Islands
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Solomon Islands
Place (Building/Street)
Parliament
Town/City
Honiara
Country
Date of Interview
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Yes
Abstract

Sir Peter Kenilorea, speaker of Parliament, describes and evaluates recent efforts to rebuild the Solomon Islands public service, which was near collapse when external intervention ended five years of civil unrest in 2003.  Kenilorea gives a detailed account of his own efforts, together with Taeasi Sanga, clerk of Parliament, and a United Nations Development Programme adviser, Warren Cahill, to strengthen the Parliament Secretariat.  By hiring and training a cohort of recent graduates, Kenilorea and Sanga largely avoided the absenteeism and patronage problems that plagued other parts of the Solomon Islands government.

Case Study:  Starting from Scratch in Recruitment and Training: Solomon Islands, 2004-2009

Profile

After playing a prominent role in independence negotiations with the U.K., Sir Peter Kenilorea became the first prime minister of the newly independent Solomon Islands in 1978.   He held that office until 1981, and served in the position again from 1984 to 1986.   He later served as minister of foreign affairs and, from 1996 to 2001, as governmental ombudsman.  In 2001, he became speaker of Parliament.   He was serving his second term in that office at the time of this interview.

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Manzoor Hasan

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Andrew Schalkwyk
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Manzoor Hasan
Interviewee's Position
Director
Interviewee's Organization
Institute of Governance Services, BRAC University, Bangladesh
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Bangladeshi
Town/City
Dhaka
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Date of Interview
Reform Profile
No
Abstract

Manzoor Hasan identifies three main challenges for the Bangladeshi civil service: lack of sufficient training, structural problems arising from a colonial legacy of extensive hierarchization and growing politicization leading to corruption and decreased accountability.  He discusses the curriculum and admission policies of the Master’s Program in Governance and Development at the Institute of Governance Services, which aims to address these concerns.  Its multi-step applicant selection strategy aims to increase representation across genders and sectors of civil service, and to identify candidates who are innovative and willing to forego financial and career advancement objectives during the length of training.  The program thus contributes to a growing pool of qualified Bangladeshi civil servants who will be ready to implement reform when the necessary political vision comes about.  To this end, networking capacity is one of the target skills.  Hasan points to a need to increase governmental commitment to training and reform by  relying on state funding rather than donor funding.  This would counteract a trend toward superficial reform measures by which commissions are set up to issue policy recommendations but few concrete steps are taken.

Profile

At the time of this interview, Manzoor Hasan was the director of the Institute of Governance Studies at BRAC University in Bangladesh.  A lawyer by training, Hasan was the founding executive director of Transparency International Bangladesh in 1996.  He was made an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in 2003 for his service to Transparency International Bangladesh.  After seven years, he assumed the post of Transparency International Regional Director for Asia-Pacific in Berlin.  Upon returning to Bangladesh, he joined the Bangladesh Rural Advancement Committee (BRAC) and its university.

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Manzoor Hasan Obe - Full Interview

Rose N. Kafeero

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Andrew Schalkwyk
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Rose N. Kafeero
Interviewee's Position
Deputy Secretary of the Public Service Commission
Interviewee's Organization
Uganda
Language
English
Nationality of Interviewee
Ugandan
Town/City
Kampala
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Date of Interview
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No
Abstract

Rose Kafeero describes the challenges she faced to implement “results-oriented management” reforms in the Ugandan government. While she believes that the mindset changed over the years and that budgets were prepared on the basis of outcomes, she says the impetus for outcome-based performance weakened when some of the managers leading these reforms left agencies. She also did not have full backing from top officials. She believes that other civil service reforms such as downsizing and divestiture of functions have been more successful. She outlines the merit-based selection process at both the national and district levels. She says that universities do not produce skill levels that match government requirements in some categories. She describes the difficulties of recruiting or retaining civil servants in some categories because of low pay and a failure to provide core benefits such as housing.

Profile

At the time of this interview, Rose N. Kafeero was deputy secretary of the Public Service Commission in Uganda. Upon graduation from university, she was appointed as a personnel officer and subsequently was promoted to higher positions. In 1992, she was elevated to head of department in the Ministry of Public Service and subsequently to her position at the time of the interview.  In that position, she also headed the Department of Monitoring and Guidance, which served as the secretariat to the Public Service Commission.

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Rose N. Kafeero - Full Interview